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	<title>Comments on: The Church Single Working Class</title>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.mychurchgig.com/2009/06/the-church-single-working-class/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nathan.  Someone who relates!  I think a bunch of us do.  Congrats on your marriage.  I&#039;ll pray for you because, as much as we joke about it here, I don&#039;t think any of us are crazy enough to actually sleep on campus overnight.  You must be.  :)

I like that you said, &quot;I&#039;ve had a crazy spiritual journey because of it.&quot;  I know man.  I know.

And I know how hard it is to leave volunteers in potentially disastrous situations.  Any good church leader will say, &quot;you need to train your volunteers better then.&quot;  But that&#039;s not always possible because, like it or not, some situations require a real pro.  One time I put an ad on Craigslist for pro sound engineers to run weddings for us just to see what the average asking rate was.  That was all good till they got the church&#039;s number and started calling asking about &quot;the job on Craigslist.&quot;  I think the point got across to our executive pastor what it&#039;s actually worth to ensure quality and, honestly, it&#039;s unfair to set up a part-time volunteer for failure.  This ain&#039;t our parents&#039; church any more.  Systems have come a long way and the prerequisites of technical prowess have increased.

All we can do is all we can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nathan.  Someone who relates!  I think a bunch of us do.  Congrats on your marriage.  I&#8217;ll pray for you because, as much as we joke about it here, I don&#8217;t think any of us are crazy enough to actually sleep on campus overnight.  You must be.  :)</p>
<p>I like that you said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve had a crazy spiritual journey because of it.&#8221;  I know man.  I know.</p>
<p>And I know how hard it is to leave volunteers in potentially disastrous situations.  Any good church leader will say, &#8220;you need to train your volunteers better then.&#8221;  But that&#8217;s not always possible because, like it or not, some situations require a real pro.  One time I put an ad on Craigslist for pro sound engineers to run weddings for us just to see what the average asking rate was.  That was all good till they got the church&#8217;s number and started calling asking about &#8220;the job on Craigslist.&#8221;  I think the point got across to our executive pastor what it&#8217;s actually worth to ensure quality and, honestly, it&#8217;s unfair to set up a part-time volunteer for failure.  This ain&#8217;t our parents&#8217; church any more.  Systems have come a long way and the prerequisites of technical prowess have increased.</p>
<p>All we can do is all we can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow that&#039;s me! well with one exception. i&#039;ve been a relationship with someone since high school (about the same time that i started helping out at church) and now that i&#039;m 26 we&#039;re married. but seriously, every one of those list items would describe me (until the last one). I&#039;ve had a crazy spiritual journey because of it and when i quit my church tech job to go to college i vowed to never work for a church again. here i am 1.5 years back in the same job i left at the same church!

when i worked here the first time, i was still single and my girlfriend was away at college so i had all the time in the world. i should have just set up a cot in my office - in fact i slept here on a couch more than one occasion! and the result of all that was feeling under-appreciated, overworked, and pretty bitter. lone day the senior pastor called me into his office and asked where i was going in my life. he asked if i wanted to be in the same job 5 years from then. then he convinced me to leave and get a degree. apparently it was becoming obvious to everyone that i was getting pretty burned!

when i got married i had to make a commitment to my wife that i wouldn&#039;t let church work ruin our marriage. i had to promise to say &quot;no&quot; and to put boundaries on my work schedule. this has been VERY hard for me because it&#039;s hard to rely on my volunteers to be able to handle all the problems that arise during events that i&#039;m not there for. 

i&#039;m tempted to continue describing my situation, but what i&#039;m getting to is that it&#039;s nice to be able to relate with someone on this issue. actually, it&#039;s probably a god thing that i found your-blog the timing is impeccable.... i was googling innovason and i thought your &quot;about&quot; page was a review!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow that&#8217;s me! well with one exception. i&#8217;ve been a relationship with someone since high school (about the same time that i started helping out at church) and now that i&#8217;m 26 we&#8217;re married. but seriously, every one of those list items would describe me (until the last one). I&#8217;ve had a crazy spiritual journey because of it and when i quit my church tech job to go to college i vowed to never work for a church again. here i am 1.5 years back in the same job i left at the same church!</p>
<p>when i worked here the first time, i was still single and my girlfriend was away at college so i had all the time in the world. i should have just set up a cot in my office &#8211; in fact i slept here on a couch more than one occasion! and the result of all that was feeling under-appreciated, overworked, and pretty bitter. lone day the senior pastor called me into his office and asked where i was going in my life. he asked if i wanted to be in the same job 5 years from then. then he convinced me to leave and get a degree. apparently it was becoming obvious to everyone that i was getting pretty burned!</p>
<p>when i got married i had to make a commitment to my wife that i wouldn&#8217;t let church work ruin our marriage. i had to promise to say &#8220;no&#8221; and to put boundaries on my work schedule. this has been VERY hard for me because it&#8217;s hard to rely on my volunteers to be able to handle all the problems that arise during events that i&#8217;m not there for. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m tempted to continue describing my situation, but what i&#8217;m getting to is that it&#8217;s nice to be able to relate with someone on this issue. actually, it&#8217;s probably a god thing that i found your-blog the timing is impeccable&#8230;. i was googling innovason and i thought your &#8220;about&#8221; page was a review!</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Simpson</title>
		<link>http://www.mychurchgig.com/2009/06/the-church-single-working-class/comment-page-1/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going on sabbatical after 20 years in YWAM. We&#039;ll be in Bozeman for the school year, under the auspices of Gordy &amp; co. in Lakeside.  After that, it could be anywhere; I wish it were Panama, but there doesn&#039;t seem to be any way to have the ministry covering we need here.  I&#039;ll miss my students.  Hopefully I can finish my smooth jazz project...</description>
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